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Most financial sites lie about this

29/8/2017

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I was reading a couple of financial sites / blogs.
And most of them don't tell the whole truth about what they think.
I can hardly blame them. People like to read what they want to read. If you don't say nice things or things that are fairly expected, people don't go to the sites. So it makes good sense to bend the truth a little to make their message more acceptable to the masses. 

Note: When I say most readers or masses, I mean most average Singaporeans. Not the frugal financially discipline community.

For me, I don't really care, I typically say what I want. I have some readers, not a lot compared to other blogs/sites and I'm very grateful for my readers. So I always want to keep things as true as possible for my readers and not just put across a message just to seem less extreme. 

So about today's topic, when I used to get my salary, the company would pay to my OCBC account. It was the account for good interest last time. I had a standing instruction set up, which would transfer $2,000 from OCBC to my DBS account, which is my float account. Basically, that's my spending money for the month. It never changes year after year. $2,000 is plenty of money to work with. SO when my salary increases, the $2,000 still remains the same. Every increment goes straight to savings. I only adjust every few years, if/when life has some milestone changes.

So what's this nonsense about spending 80% and saving 20%, or whatever percentage which so many sites talk about. Ok I understand when someone just starts work, he/she may save less, that's fine, but why are we talking about percentages here. The necessary spending every month, is typically fixed. Why would you want to increase your spending just cos you have gotten an increment? Furthermore, you have already gotten used to spending X amount every month, so there's no real need to spend more right? Once you have gotten used to spending a lower amount, WHY INCREASE IT??? Then you'll get used to spending the larger amount, then the next year upgrade again?!

So you know, I get it, I get it, people like to upgrade, ok fine, so many writers would say set a budget of 80%/20% or whatever other percentage they recommend, so that people can enjoy their increments. Ok maybe I'll close one eye for this way of thinking...

But when I read these sites again, and they talk about how to spend the bonus, it's in some percentage breakdown again!? Hello? Want to upgrade how many times? Bonus should be saved. 100%. That's it. Daily spending has been budgeted for, by absolute amount or by percentage, why is there any need to splurge when getting the bonus? People should be recommended to live on their monthly salaries and keep within their budget so that they can plan for their retirement.

The thing is, I think, it's fine, IF the writers really believe that funds should be budgeted by percentage or IF they think readers should spend a share of their bonus. BUT, I believe, many financial writers DON'T believe in this. Look, many financial writers are frugal, save hard, and try to gain financial independence as early as possible. It is highly likely that they would have a hard budget of their monthly salary and save their increments, and when bonus comes, they would likely save 95% of it and maybe treat themselves to a nice meal. 

But I can't really blame them, if they were to write like me, and advocate a high savings rate and be tight on the bonus spending, who's going to read their sites? If most financial writers say to lock their monthly budget up for 10-15 years, and spend only 5-10% of their bonus, who's going to read it? If I were an average reader, I'd think this guy is mad and go to a "less crazy" site, who is going to advise me to save 10-20% and "allow" me to spend large chunks of my bonus. Because a financial writer says it, it must be right, so I feel better spending 80% of any income that I receive. It makes me feel better to spend cos someone who has financial knowledge has endorsed it.

And yet if we think about it, most financial writers ARE "crazy" most are considered extreme vs the normal context. Since they practice good financial discipline, it is highly likely that they are very prudent in their spending regardless of their increment or bonus. Which leads me to conclude that most of them are typically not telling the whole truth. What they would probably like to say is, "Spend a fixed amount every month. Save any increment. And give yourself a small treat and save 90-95% of your bonus." And yet they can't say that, cos it would turn off too many readers. 

So it's an unfortunate situation...

I'm not saying everyone SHOULD be extreme. To each his own choices. But rather, I'm highlighting that most financial writers would recommend a normal advice, so that they would seem more mainstream, and appeal to readers, whereas, their feelings, beliefs and their own practices differ significantly.

So, personally, what I'd recommend is spend a fixed amount every month, $2k, $3k, whatever, save the rest regardless of increment. Don't even adjust for inflation. Inflation is your "challenge" to cut your spending by the level of inflation every year.
As for bonus, save 100%, cos you won't know it even came into your bank account. When I set up my bank account, the bonus went into the OCBC account so I hardly noticed that it came in. Since I have gotten used to the fixed amount every month, why is there a need to spend anything more?

If you think this is too extreme, then just adjust the numbers to amounts which you feel that you can accept. That's your choice. You always have a choice.

The thing is, most readers would adjust their budget to whatever amounts they feel like, regardless of who they read. It just makes them feel better that they aren't deviating too far off the recommendation. So a "crazy" recommendation makes people feel worse than "normal" advice, so people like to read normal advice. 
But that's how the world works. Can't blame them. Readers like to read what they like to read. They read news that appeals to them, and reject or avoid news that they don't like to hear.

Life's just like that. Unfortunate but true.


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Sinkie
29/8/2017 12:58:08 pm

For me, a real personal finance website / blog would simply say it like it is & be done with it. Maybe with caveats & real-life aspects from the authors' actual circumstances, coz everybody has different situations.

Those sites that give soft options (and keep repeating them) tend to be those trying to get eyeballs & clicks in order to generate site income one way or another. I mean general savings & spending articles / postings should be so fundamental that it can be expanded upon once & then filed under "Basics" category for people to look it up. No need to keep on repeating. It's like a Maths blog where the person keeps on posting about basic arithmetic --- I know it'll bore me to tears.

There are financial bloggers who are extreme & encourage readers to be extreme too, and end up being popular & monetizing the hell out of their blogs. The most famous is probably Mr Money Moustache.

At the end of the day, everybody should read up as much as possible, think thru it, examine themselves, and then take action & responsibility. You should know best. What works for others may not work for you, etc. And I'm glad most people are spenders and not like myself, otherwise the global economy will collapse & markets will be about as exciting as if the whole world was like Communist Russia & China in the 1950s.

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Philip
29/8/2017 02:53:22 pm

I would have to say that your approach on using absolute expenditure (instead of relative %) is the flawed one this time round. Bear in mind Im not saying you are wrong. Let me illustrate with an example. Assuming a person's take home salary is $2k & after deducting all the fixed expenditure, allowances to parents etc, the amount he left with to save up for an annual short holiday is only sufficient to bring him to Bangkok. Fast-forward 2 years later, he has been promoted and received a raise, if I were to use your concept of absolute amt expenditure, he will never be able to travel anywhere beyond Bangkok.

Now, before you jump in & challenge my eg as a support to upgrade of lifestyle instead of staying frugal, let's replace "going for a holiday" with "giving to charity". Using the same person starting out with a $2k take home pay. He realizes that at the moment he don't have excess to give to a charity or cause that he feels strong about. After a pay raise 2 yrs later, he now can do it. Once again, if he were to stick to the absolute expenditure approach, nothing will change & he will never have the extra money to give away.

Think about it.

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ERSG link
29/8/2017 04:10:16 pm

Hi Philip,
Thanks for commenting.
I think that a budget should not be percentage based.

If the examples need to raise the spending past $2k. By all means go ahead. Raise it to $5k or more if necessary.
Everyone has their choice to set their expenditure to whatever level they see fit.
Raise it to whatever number is comfortable for travel and/or charity.

It is not necessary to rely on a % based approach as a guide.

IF your example wants to budget for a far trip. By all means, raise the monthly spending to $3500.

I'm not saying just leave the $2k fixed senselessly. Adjust it as necessary as life requires. Maybe your example will have kids, etc.

But even so, you don't need a % based system to work it out. That's what I'm trying to put across.

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ERSG link
29/8/2017 04:50:39 pm

Oh and if the person is required to tithe. Then should set the budget after the 10% tithe. Cos tithe is a non-negotiable 10%. Then to set whatever mthly budget on the remaining 90%.

Charles
29/8/2017 07:35:38 pm

100% agree on this. I look forward to adding more into my savings/investments when I get a raise! Then again, I'm probably more extreme then most.

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The Eleutherian Odyssey link
30/8/2017 06:28:16 am

Finally, I have found a like-minded person here. I typically allocate $2,000 out of my take-home salary for living expenses, and save the rest. There are certain times during the year when I have to dip into my savings to pay the insurance premiums for myself and my children, but other than that, my family is living quite comfortably on this monthly $2,000 budget.

My budgeting is quite extreme. I plan my expenditures in advance, itemized down to the weekly cash amount for lunch. My style is definitely not for the average faint-hearted soul.

Some people may find it tough to follow a fixed budget, so the percentage budget looks easier to adhere to. The latter model allows the person to anticipate a higher spending when his/her income increases. This may motivate the person to stick to the budget better. To each his/her own preference.

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Ben
28/3/2018 09:00:41 pm

Hi all,

I find that it is a good idea to allocate the fixed amount of money for spending. It's the matter to adjusting the spending pattern to ensure that the fund allocation budget is not exceeded. It is prudent to increase the saving rate to cushion the possibility of retrenchment in the current volatile climate.

Ben

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WTK link
26/7/2020 12:54:25 pm

Hi ERSG,

I totally agree with you. It makes sense to maintain the fixed monthly spending amount and reduce the amount if possible. The excess can be channelled into the investment portfolio which will generate more dividends to cover the annual expenses.

The excess dividends can be channelled back into the investment portfolio will in turn generate more dividends.

Life is simple as per my perspective. There is no need to inflate the lifestyle which appeals the most and sensible to me.

WTK

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