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Wastage vs Poverty

28/11/2017

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It comes out quite often in freegan discussions and when we are young.
We tend to hear these statements.
Finish your food. There are hungry children in Africa.
Something like that right?
And there are some freegans who cannot stand food wastage. And I think that's fine. We shouldn't be wasting food.

But I was thinking. Does not wasting food help the poor? Usually when we talk about wasting food, we talk about. Don't order so much. If we can't finish the food, we don't order it. If we don't order so much, we don't need to throw it away when we can't finish it.
If we don't see excess food being disposed off, we don't feel that there is waste.
IF we see excess food being disposed off, then most of us rational people would think. Might as well give it to the poor instead of throwing it away.

So the idea is... If we don't order so much, in terms of the food at the hawker center, or supermarkets don't order so much vegetables, we don't need to throw away. And there would be less waste. IF we want to throw away, then we should give it to someone who can use it better. Like the poor.

So I wondered. Is there any relationship between the two? Wastage vs being poor?
My belief is that there is enough food produced in the world to feed everyone AND to be wasted. Meaning if resources can be distributed well, everyone could get food and there would still be wastage. And it doesn't matter.

Ok let's think about it.
If I am a farmer, I have 100 acres of land. I will just plant the whole area. I won't know the harvest, so I just plant the whole area and at the end, I harvest it. Then I sell it. If there's more, I sell for a cheaper price, if there's less I might sell for more expensive. If I can't sell it, I'm going to waste it anyway.
There's a lot of produce being disposed off at the farm.

Then the supply chain continues. Passes on to the other distributers. If they can sell, they sell, else they dump. Then it reaches retail supermarkets. If they can sell to consumers, they sell, else the dump.

So from how I see it, food is just produced. And for businesses, producing more doesn't cost much more. So they just produce larger amounts to oversupply by a small amount. To them it's a small amount, but to us when we see the wastage, it's considered a lot.
The idea is to make sure that all the buyers can be sold to and slightly over produce.
If there's no more stock, means the business should continue to produce cos it means some customers aren't being serviced, which means a loss of profits.

This idea runs right down the supply chain. So at retail, the supermarket over supplies. So that everyone can buy it on a whim. That's the whole idea of a supermarket. When I go to a supermarket, I expect it to have stock of what I want. That's what most people expect. So they need to oversupply to fulfill this expectation. Else they will lose customers to other supermarkets which provide this service of oversupply.

So what's the problem between this issue of oversupply and wastage, vs poverty?
The problem is, the poor don't fit into this equation. They aren't part of this flow.

If they are employed along the food chain of products and services, they can earn money and can buy stuff. Alternatively, they can be at the tail end and look for food wastage and obtain it for free, like what many of the freegans do.
The problem is, the poor are not in the system. And we can't expect businesses to incur more costs to distribute the wastage to the poor.

Well, I'm not here to solve the problem.
I'm just putting across the point. That less wastage doesn't mean the poor will be fed. If people buy less from the supermarket, they supermarket will order less, then the wholesaler would order less... Etc etc. But the farmer would likely still plant his whole 100 acres. And the wastage would just be unseen at the farm when he can't sell his stuff.

I'm not here to suggest how to solve the problem.
I just want to out across the idea that lower food wastages won't help the poor. If I can't finish that bowl of rice or that half chicken, and I throw it away. The African kid will still be starving. The poor homeless auntie by Chinatown would still not have food.

It's not about giving them free stuff. It's about how to include them in the system. Either providing them with work or even to teach them where to find free stuff. If you throw away some excess food or give them free food. It's not going to help them much. Rather, it's how to get the poor within the system so that they know how to feed themselves.

So I find that... Wasting less stuff doesn't link with people being poor.
Yes, if we are going to throw it away anyway, then it could be put to better use by giving it to the poor.
But if we order less food, the food chain just adjusts itself and the wastage will shift to another level of the supply chain.

So the point is. To help the poor. We need to actively help the poor. By teaching them how to feed themselves.
The comments about reducing food waste at food courts or supermarkets by changing consumption patterns aren't going to reallocate the excess to the poor.

So if u look at that half bowl of rice thinking that u need to finish it cos the poor African kid is starving, but you're full, it's ok to just not eat it. Cos the African kid is going to be starving anyway.

Now don't think I'm condoning wasting food. I'm not. For me, I eat 1.5 meals, cos I eat my food and my wife's food, cos she can't finish it. And I'm gaining weight due to that. I don't like to waste food as well.
I'm just saying. If you over order and are too full to finish the food, don't force yourself to finish it. Don't feel bad about dumping it. You are just part of the supply chain and the supply chain includes wastage. It's just part of the process.


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Daniel Tay link
29/11/2017 02:23:54 pm

You're thinking only of the poor in Africa. What about the poor in Singapore? There are almost 400,000 food insecure people in Singapore who don't have access to sufficient nutritious food.

Rescuing discarded and unsold food and redistributing it to the poor in Singapore directly helps the poor here. That is what organisations such as Willing Hearts, Free Food For All, Food from the Heart, and Food Bank does.

As for the starving African, we have to ask ourselves why do rich countries hoard and then throw away food instead of distributing to poorer countries? Why do rich people in poor countries hoard and then throw away food instead of distributing it to poorer people?

Like in Singapore, why do we hoard and then throw away food instead of distributing it to the poor? Is it because we don't gain anything financially from doing this? Is it because it is more cost-effective to throw away hoarded food rather than to distribute it to the poor? Is that then a hoarding of money, of wealth? Is that then greed?

Is greed then a contributing factor to perpetuating poverty in others?

Am I responsible (at least partially) for making other people poor? Do they then become my responsibility (at least partially)?

I too have no solutions as I'm still trying to understand the problem and why it happens.

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ERSG link
29/11/2017 03:13:53 pm

hi Daniel,
thanks for hanging around this blog.
now I'm not saying we should waste food.
and u guys are doing great work in your own way.
as I said in the earlier paras. if there is excess it can/should be distributed.
but changing consumption patterns of consumers doesn't help. if I order half a serving of rice. the seller would cook less, thus buy less and the suppliers would supply less. the supply chain adjusts itself. and the waste would be pushed to other areas of the supply chain.
people remain poor cos they don't know what to do. and how to get within the system.
it is like your example with the dead sea. they are stuck in the dead sea and are not part of the flow.

freegans exist because of consumerism. they are also part of the system.
I don't want to discuss about human greed. it is the way the world works. and it is part of the system. we all choose the spots which we can be within this system.
unless the economic system changes this is the way the game is played.
unless policy (the rules) changes, humans won't change their playing style.

Africa has sufficient space to produce their own food. once again, the poor have not found their way into the system.

poverty and homelessness is a situation due to lack of knowledge not a lack of education. and an unwillingness to take action.
you could teach all the poor in SG to DD and only a handful of them would do it to get themselves out of their plight.

I believe that the world produces enough food for consumption and wastage. the poor just don't know where to find it.

now. can't be expect the consumer to find the poor to give it to them right. it's like asking an employer to find me and pay me money for doing nothing. there is also responsibility for the poor to make right decisions to get out of their situation.
if I constantly make bad decisions and don't take steps to improve my situation, do I constantly deserve help?

that's not to say I don't think ppl need help or food should be wasted.
there is an economic view. where I think everyone should find their way into the system and feed off it.
and there's the personal view. where people help whenever they can.

but if u want to help everyone in a holistic manner, u need to look at a policy and economic view.

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Ryan ERE
4/12/2017 04:08:20 pm

ERSG, I understand where you are coming from and while I agree with your economic perspective of supply and demand, I cannot help but to disagree with your conclusion about not feeling bad for dumping food if you cannot finish it.

Of course, if a person really cannot finish his/her food, there is no good in forcing him/her to eat it. That being said, the person SHOULD still feel bad for dumping food and hopefully, learn to deal with his/her eating tendencies instead of just throwing away food after the fact. Heck, if the thought of forcing yourself to eat your food after you are full is unbearable, what do you think of the plight of those people who doesn't even have that luxury?

Just because it does not directly help the poor doesn't excuse one from wasting food intentionally. The reminder to "finish your food" is there to only reinforce the idea of gratitude, which if we were to be honest is pretty lacking among those who are in position of privilege.

If you were pause for a moment and try to understand it from the perspective of someone who has had to endure real hunger for long periods of time, the notion of throwing away food suddenly becomes more than just economics. Just imagine if you were to be the hungry African looking at your fellow Africans dying from starvation or malnutrition. Your worldview changes. Inefficiencies in the food distribution chain doesn't matter. What matters if you appreciate food for what it is.

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